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[Sounds of the pub] [Sounds of the pub] Oh good grief! [Sounds of the pub]

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We are talking to one of the Catholic university students from the Catholic Faculty of Lublin. We would like to know a little about the life and activities of our bishops here in Poland. How many Catholic students are there in your faculty, sir? Now there are 12 bishops in our faculty.

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Do you have your lectures with Roman Catholics? Yes, our lectures are taught with Roman Catholics. And what about the service? Do you have your own liturgy? Yes, we have our own liturgy in the chapel of the Higher Spiritual Seminary.

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Is it a separate chapel or do others also use it? [Russian] (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language)

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and send them to our Ukrainian mother. - Yes. Do you have any ecumenical contacts with the Orthodox or Orthodox students of the Roshchav Faculty? - No, no.

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- Not yet. Do you have, for example, contacts with the pre-Catholic Church in Ukraine? - Yes, we do. - Yes.

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- Where do our gods come from in Poland? From here, from Donetsk or from the North? - Our gods come from all over Poland. (speaking foreign language) People in 1946 and 1947 were forced to leave their homes and move to Germany.

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Would our people here in Lublin like to have contact with our reenactors in the West? Yes, everyone would like to have contact. I think we would like that too. [ Foreign Language ]

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(dramatic music) [music] There are many more, because there are still a few of us. - So, there are still a few bishops. - There is a lot to talk about.

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- A lot. - Yes, but we don't have much time. We are Greek-Catholic Ukrainians, so we are interested in what is possible. - I saved the church. - Yes. - How was it? What was here? - What was here?

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When the Russians left, they took everything away. And here, what is it? And this is our church. The city, the audience, this and that.

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Oh, Jesus, the informant, we take the money, we'll take it to the church, to the priest. - To save, to save. - Well, we'll take it there, so and so.

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The spider was nice, destroyed. - Because there is no main spider. - And who got the keys from the church? - If there were no keys, then you would have been in the church.

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- No, it was all open. - For 46 years. But every village had a police station. And now it's a whole commune.

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And the police. In this school, there was a police station and a police station. And they came by car, those bandits, to destroy everything. - Robbers. - Yes, robbers. "Go to the police station. We'll report here and we'll destroy everything."

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"And to the police station. Right here, right now." [ Speaking in Russian ] [ Speaking Foreign Language ] And we all ran out of the church.

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We were all on the top. And the one on the bottom said, "Run away, or I'll beat you." And he was holding the ladder, because it was so low. And we all ran out to the field.

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And some commander said to us, "Okay, okay, we'll manage. "We'll come back another time, and we'll do our own thing." "Oh, Jesus, I'm going to Roswalla?" "Someone's telling me what to do, someone's telling me what to do."

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I flew to Rutka, to one of the churches. - Was there a church in Rutka? - There was. - There was, too. - And I asked you... I was a secretary of the local administration,

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"But it's beautifully written, Jesus." I said, "The king has to write it." I came with a request to go to Warsaw. There was no need to go to the city, just to Warsaw.

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I told him, "I don't know how to write. Someone will tell me how to write." I heard older people say that Russians gave money to the Czechs, and Poles gave money, and our village had a lot of Jews.

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[ Foreign Language ] I have to go to Warsaw. Do you have water? No, no, wait a minute.

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Wait a minute. It's not a problem. There is a bus, it will take me to the bus stop. It's a nice bus.

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I don't know if it's going to take me there. I don't know if it's going to take me there. It's not going to take me there. It's not going to take me there.

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I'm going to the bus stop. I'm going to the bus stop. [ Foreign Language ] [ Foreign Language ]

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[ Foreign Language ] (laughing) But what else was there? It's almost finished.

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There was a church in one village. And we consecrated it. It was a church in Pryuslavna. Where?

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In which village? In Zapalovie? Here, somewhere here. Somewhere here.

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And I was very fast. I was going very fast. I was going so fast [ Foreign Language ]

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"Tomorrow he will come, we will talk to the priest, he will come to the Holy See." The priest didn't like the priest, but it was good. The priest came, they told him that there were some in Cieplec, they were coming for this, and he thought about it and praised himself, that he will go to Cieplec to consecrate the Church.

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And he went to the bishop. (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language)

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But where did the Orthodox come from? To take it? I don't know, they were there. And the priest came to the village,

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the door was closed, everything was fine. What could we do? What could we do? And it stayed like that for a long time?

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No. Since when was the first priest here? Polish? Here was a woman

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and a priest. Which year was it? [ Foreign Language ] (speaking in foreign language)

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They took everything out, and put it back together again. And they made a beautiful altar out of these paintings. So this altar is the iconostasis? Yes.

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I thought it would be like that. It was like that, but they saved it. - Yes, I think so. - Are there any other families left? - Yes, there are. - Are there any mixed families?

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No, there are no mixed families. There is one family, I don't know, in the woods. Yes. Or maybe there is a family called Piskur.

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Piskur. The Boyczuks came from there and Piskurs. - Maybe, maybe. - I don't remember. I know there were more, but the weather... - They died. - They're dying.

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They're dying. - I've been here for 84 years. - I see. No Russians came here from the West? - No, sometimes. So you don't get displaced? - No, they come from Russia. You were displaced? - And then they come back.

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(speaking in foreign language) [Russian] We didn't want to hurt you, because we were going through Ukraine. We knew that you were going because of the weather.

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The weather is very good now. The weather is good. Of course. Of course.

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We are getting ready, but we don't know what to expect. Thank God. Maybe we will build something bigger this year. [ Foreign Language ]

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[ Foreign Language ] [ Foreign Language ] - God. - And the last one? - The last one? - Yes, the one on the other side.

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We built a camp here in Stodol. In the autumn of '96. We thought it would be only for one winter. But three winters came, and the fourth one was also before us.

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But we don't have permission to build any chapel. Nothing. But I have so much courage that I will build it. - And they don't want to give us permission? (speaking in foreign language)

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We need to be strong. We don't need to be afraid. We don't need to be afraid. That's the situation. People are stupid. I said we need to end the suffering. 80% of former Ukrainians live here.

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Today it's only Poles. But there are so many cruel people who are against us. They are everywhere. - Do they come to you to help? - No.

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- From other cities? - Two cars came yesterday. They wanted to help. And they come from other cities. From Wroclaw, Zluchniczyty, but not from that side.

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(speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) God knows who is against us. - Can we get cement?

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- You can get cement, but you have to think about it sooner. There is a girl in the village, Paranka, but we can't tell her who she is. Nobody in the village knows that she helps us.

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From the very beginning, she has to give us cement. Without cement, we would not have done anything. Today it's so hard to work with it, but it will give us strength. So everything happens so that no one knows anything,

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it has no impurities from people, and the construction is going. Thank God, the construction is going. So if there is strength, there will be support, then the monastery will also be.

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And you don't have to fight. (speaking in foreign language) First, we need to build a chapel. Even a small chapel.

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If we want to have a monastery, there should be not one chapel, but more. For that, we need to start with a small one. And later, there will be more.

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And we need to build apartments. That's the most important thing, because we can't accept young people. Young boys come to us, they are well-behaved,

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they are well-behaved, they are well-behaved, but we won't accept them. (speaking in foreign language)

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(speaking in foreign language) [ Speaking in Polish ] (laughing) (speaking in foreign language)

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(speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language)

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You can tolerate more, but he is tough, I am also tough. Only he is old, I am young, and here we have a breakthrough. My God, my lawlessness. I think I will overcome all these problems. They send us to court, wherever, but we thank God, Mother of God, because this is a monastery under the protection of God's Mother. Mother of God, she does everything so that we receive a message from the court that the case cannot be accepted, because we don't even know about the conviction.

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- There are no arguments. - Yes, but we don't know about the conviction. (speaking in foreign language) The biggest people received a message that the case will not be investigated, because it is not based on the basis of the court. We do not know who brought us to court.

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We know the village, but no one knows what the case is. We are also trying to recognize the trial. Let the best mother of God, the Holy Spirit, heal everything. By August 30, we have to disassemble the ring of arrest.

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- Because the bell disturbs people. - They put up a protest against the government and the government sent such a letter. - And the second government official came and said, - "If you don't recognize the state as a monastery,

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- as a bread maker, - then the bread maker is free to have a bell. - Because the law does not have such a prohibition. - Here in Poland there is also no such law.

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- There is no such law as washing like a bread maker. (speaking in foreign language) But there is no such law in Poland to forbid the cliber to have a bell. So we will have a bell.

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[Laughter] [Laughter] [Laughter] [Laughter]

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[Laughter] Last year we made this bell, St. Cyril and Methodius, and we want to make the second bell in Pokrava, near St. Wladysia. We have a monastery here, under the patronage of St. Kirill and St. Methodius.

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So we will have two bells, but we want to make more. Let's have bells. - Where will we hear the bells? - On the main shaft. - I think so. - And where will they come from? - From the Peremyshly. There are three companies in the entire Poland, from one family.

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Two of them are in Peremyshly, and the other one is in Gliwice. [ Foreign Language ] (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language)

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(speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language)

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(speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) - Yes, but they also send a lot of money.

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- It's good for us, because we have it in place. We can do it, it's fun. - How many hectares do you have? - Eight hectares of land.

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We bought ten hectares of land in Berlin. It's a wonderful location, but it's one of the future of our monastery. We also have a monastery here, a monastery, a monastery. Yes, we know it from a kilometer away.

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But when the times get better, we will also have a church. We will have a church, even if we devote our lives to God's service, to God's glory, and to the help of the people, because what else can we do? Now, such a cruel time has passed, it is terrible.

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But there were many Ukrainians in this area. Yes, there were many Ukrainians. So you mean there were Ukrainians in this area? Almost, yes.

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There were Ukrainian villages or Ukrainian-Polish villages. But now there are many Ukrainians, as well as Latvians. You mean from the Urals? Yes, from the Urals.

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And the Latvians are Poles. The next step will be to forget about the Batkiv region, about the origin, about Ukraine, and about colonization. I heard about colonization a long time ago. I am from Torbovayshchyna. They were making such a layer of population in our village.

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From Nazovshch or somewhere. It is still the same. They would give them a certificate of certificate of merit, and then they would sell it, and then they would all go home.

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So that's how they made Ivan the Great. Do you know him? I know him. I know Ivan the Great.

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Is he Martin... Martinak. Martinak. Ivan Martinak.

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Martinak. Yes. [ Foreign Language ] We wrote a letter to him,

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to make sure he doesn't make a fool of us, that if he doesn't know us, he won't tell us such things. He can tell us, he will come sooner. He will come, he will see how we are doing.

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Here, from the Ukrainian side, we have no support. From the people, from the people. We have no support. We have a relationship. We can say a lot to each other.

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He understands us, we understand him. But it came too late. He can't do anything anymore. Why is he older?

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He is older, but he is very connected to the people. He is very connected to all the issues of the Church. Only on the other side. [ Foreign Language ]

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[Polish] And he gave the water to the Polish bishop. It was very unpleasant. Later in the newspaper, the Polish bishop of Moscow gave water to the Ukrainians.

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It looks like he didn't know. He didn't give it, but he wrote it. He poured the water with a candle. It's a pity, but for us it's better that they don't have such relations with us,

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because it would be a betrayal of the state. What do we build Ukraine on? And yes, if we are absolutely independent, independent of anyone, it is much better for us and we can do much more.

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And everything will pass later. We see a lot of people coming to us. Now, the terrible thing is that they send these Latvian priests to Ukraine. To build a church.

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A Latvian church. Ukrainian and Latvian church. And this church will be destroyed only by our words. And Ukrainian.

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Because of the blind eyes. (speaking in foreign language) We can't say anything, but what we hear and see hurts so much. We can't bear the fact that the church is on the market again.

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- They sold it? - Yes, they sold the church again. There will be suffering again. People are stupid. They don't know how to do it, what to do. We know very well that there is no other way out, only one or the other side.

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That everything is gone. Even here they didn't give him a parrh, they only gave him a bishop, a minister, a minister, a primate who can't do anything without his permission. So why would they give him such a bishop?

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I say I am more free and more confident here in the monastery than he is in his bishop's office. I can say here in the chapel, when people come, what I want to say. It is in my heart. And he can't say anything. He doesn't believe it.

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He can't decide whether to give the right to the parish priest or not. No, he has nothing to do with it. The parish priest cannot give the permission. Absolutely cannot.

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Because he is the assistant bishop of Warsaw. Warsaw, Glebovka. Yes. And not the assistant to the parish priest.

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If he was an assistant here, he could decide. [ Foreign Language ] Adam. He is now in Canada.

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In Boston? No, in Canada. He went to Canada for a month. He went to Canada for a month, yes.

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It's hard, but we have to do something. We know that people will come to us. As soon as this case is closed, they will recognize that Adam is there. - And did you get any letter from the Pope? - I did.

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- How? - In February. - The Pope was nominated for the parish of the Belarusian Church. - At the place of Vladimir Tereszevich. - At the Kulerton in Chicago. - And who was working there? - The Pope was nominated.

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- And where was he? In America? - No. - Vladimir, it was such a story. We wrote a protest to the Pope. Through the personal representative of the Pope, they submitted our letter. The Pope ordered to solve this problem, because you know, after the articles in the newspaper,

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what the bishop wrote and other articles that were in the newspapers, he wrote to us for the first time, this Alexander Natson from London, that he learned from the newspaper, as he was in Rome, that the American Greek-Catholic priests write about us in a positive way,

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but they attack us with attacks, as he wrote, with attacks on the primacy. And the bishop thinks, and says, "It won't be good for you, because you can't do that." We wrote to him that these were not attacks from us, but attacks of the Latin Church on us. The attack was in August, and my father was a witness.

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The attack was on Friday, and my father came on Sunday. Later, the Pope ordered to solve this problem. Because in newspapers, there were 19 magazines about us, We were on the radio, and we had a TV program about us for half an hour.

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And it was very positive. Meanwhile, all the priests attacked us because the communist press wrote about us in a positive way. You know, it could have been for two reasons. (speaking in foreign language)

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[Polish] (speaking in foreign language) they would give us a smaller amount of money. And at that time, the Prime Minister wrote a letter to me,

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to a person from Totyk, that he would give me half of my money, meaning my legal status, my right to stay here in Poland.

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I would go with him, (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language)

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The secretary asked you to come to the corridor. From the hall. I asked you to come alone. At that time, the Prime Minister was talking to Father Martyniak.

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He came to the Prime Minister. He was talking about the procedures, but I heard that the doors were not closed properly. In the second room, the Prime Minister was talking loudly.

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Father Martyniak, the current bishop, too. He was talking about our case. He said this. The press wrote positively about them.

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And the second danger is that Orthodox people invite them to Jordan, because they were Orthodox. Well, because the Vatican invited us. If they spread the news here that we are not Christians, it was a big shame for us, because the Ukrainian Catholics closed the door for us,

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because they were afraid of Tukarchuk. For us, there was only one thing - Pita to the Orthodox. (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language)

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[SPEAKING POLISH] He said to me, "Well, the newspapers are writing about you." And I said, "It's not our fault, but the protest committee issued a resolution,

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number one and two, in which at the end of the resolution it is written that this resolution will be sent to the press, radio and television."

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And I ask your Eminence, did you read this resolution? What is the forum of the priest from Vujkovice, Parochat? (speaking in foreign language)

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(speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) He grabbed his head and said, "Can anything change if I order the priest to change his parochial?" I said, "I don't know that, but I know that if people learn the truth about us, something can be changed."

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[Polish] We feel honoured that the Mother of God, who was patron of this Greek-Catholic sanctuary for many years, is also patronising us.

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And I think she is inviting us to win, like she did to Pulaski, or maybe to be free. (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language)

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