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Questioner (Mr Krishnamurti) When you were talking about Jesus, he said, 'I believe that Jesus was a great man, But I don't believe that in the course of time somebody else will come along who will succeed.

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I don't know. He said, "I think the evolutionary process, history, will produce a great vision." I don't know. I was young then.

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I don't know. But I knew then that his ministry was going its way out. Yeah, yeah. All right. All right.

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Yes, sir. He was crystallogically messed up. Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

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[laughter] [laughter] You've been getting us up that way. [laughter]

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All kinds of ideas about Christ. About us. [inaudible] So, what takes heat? Yes, sir.

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Don't you look around, you can't detect it. Right? I hear you. Yes, sir.

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Try to swallow your own mouth at this moment what you think of Christ. Yes, sir. because this question is so decisive in guessing what you think, right?

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Now, there are some questions that you don't have to deal with. You can discuss them and debate them, and you can research them for intellectual gymnastics and the increasing of information. But you don't have to deal with it.

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Now this question is what safety of pride is. You can't let it alone. It has value on character and on destiny. Now which comes first?

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Chicken or meat? [LAUGHTER] You don't have to deal with it. You can let that go.

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Is this round or flat? You don't have to deal with it. Never look. Is there life or is there a flat?

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[laughter] You can discuss it. But that's not the text. [laughter]

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You can leave it at that. Alright. How many lives have been committed to the moon and sun?

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You can leave it at that. [laughter] You don't have to bring it up no more. [laughter]

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[inaudible] [laughter] [inaudible] [inaudible]

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You can let it alone. [laughter] [inaudible] [laughter]

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[inaudible] And there are some, uh, Bible-related questions. that you don't have to bother with. [inaudible]

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You can answer them adequately or illy. Won't have no real impact on where you go.

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Immediately or [inaudible] Listen, listen. Where do you go out and meet?

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[laughter] You don't have to answer that. [laughter] All right.

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[laughter] [laughter] [laughter] [laughter]

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You're clear from the theological [inaudible] [laughter]

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Alright. Well, where the king get his wife? [laughter] I've heard that all my life.

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[laughter] You weren't there, and I wasn't there. [laughter] God only took the say as he's married.

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And wife, you believe that or no? [Laughter] [Unintelligible] You don't have to bother with that much.

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No, no. It's not fundamentally, it has no fashion or fixing power. For our children, you can let these questions arise. Yeah.

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All right. What kind of fish swallows your... [laughter] [laughter]

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Jesus said, "Well, that's enough for me." [laughter] But she don't have to, "Ah, but that!" [laughter]

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[inaudible] "That's alright, leave it alone." [laughter] But this question,

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this question, that the Master teacher reads, in the hand of the Church, >> Yes, sir.

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>> And the balance is one that you ought to build. >> Yes, sir. >> Yes, sir. >> What?

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>> Mm-hmm. >> Take. >> Mm-hmm. >> Yes, sir.

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>> All right. >> You know what I wish? I wish I could send you away from here tonight, calling somebody on the phone and say, "You know what?

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I think about Jesus. I think this, I think that, I think the other." [laughter] [inaudible]

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If the gospel isn't portable, if it can't walk away with you, it can't set you free. It has liberation.

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And that's why we preachers struggle to preach a portable gospel. [inaudible] [inaudible] Call somebody up and say, "This is what I think about you!"

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Yes, sir. Now, for many people, he's just amazing. [inaudible] He's a magical, imaginary figure.

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To some he's a myth, never happened. And to others he's just a moral he-go-getter. And to some others he is the norm for humanity. And the incarnation of God in the back.

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That's all it is. A mild hero. That's all it is. And however noble that might be,

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you haven't hit the main track. Yes, sir. in making up a philosophy of Jesus Christ. All right.

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He's more than that. More than a good man. More than a great leader. He's more than that.

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He's infinitely more than that. Yes. All right. I love him.

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[inaudible] He's not just some human figure that did history, but also is caused with human results. He has a broader division than that.

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Yes, sir. [Murmuring] [Murmuring] All right, let's see.

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What makes our most crucial? What constitutes the essence and substance of authentic Christianity? What makes me a Christ? Hallelujah!

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And I tell you, this first thing, He should be told of as the pre-existent one. The pre-existent is Christ. Before there was anything, he was. Oh yeah.

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- Fix it. Go ahead on. Fix it. - My husband and father used to say it before,

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there was a woman, a man, a big and a... A man. For more you saw,

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came together. Son to God, husband to God. Your life was called out about me, and God was called out about me.

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I preached, He watched. Nobody ever talked like him. Nobody ever had the quality to talk like him. He talks!

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Because he is before all. And so he can say, "I am." "I am." "I am."

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"I am Dominic." "I am Dominic." "I am Ruth." "I am Ruth."

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[inaudible] Yes, sir. My Lord. With him, someone become the demon?

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Oh, yes. Yes. Ha, ha. And with him, there is neither yesterday nor tomorrow.

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There is only one eternity. My Lord. Yes, sir. He beat everybody here.

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[LAUGHTER] Yes, sir. In fact, he didn't arrive. He just was.

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[LAUGHTER] Yes, sir. Yes, sir. [LAUGHTER]

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Yes, sir. [INAUDIBLE] And those Jews on one occasion tried to make him leave. Just one of them.

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Just a man in a movement in history. Yes, amen. And he said, who's son do you think I am? And they said, well, he's Thomas David.

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He said, well, now, if David, David said, my lord, my lord, sit down. I hold my right hand to my left hand, the footstool. He said, "Now, if David,

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"called me Lord, "how could I be a mere son of David?" (audience laughing) - Say that now.

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- And then when they got in that conversation, it was about Abraham. I don't know absolutely anything about the human Christ. I don't know if that Christ ever did a lot of that.

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Because he dealt with sublimity. And dealt with sublimity. The following, the sublime, was such too much a part of it. Until I don't know whether he did a lot of that.

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Ah! If he ever did that! I'm sure it was when they said, Are you greater than our father Abraham? [laughter]

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Yes, sir. [inaudible] Were you not 50 years old? I'm not saying he's a man.

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[laughter] If you were not 50 years old, it'd be just before Abraham was high. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

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[applause] Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

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Yes, sir. [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible]

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[inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] Yes, sir.

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He is the pre-existent one. And don't let anybody tell you, he's just another man. (audience murmurs) No, he's pre-existent.

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- Yes, sir. - The cause of it. - Yes, sir. - But then secondly, we should think of him.

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We should think of him as the God descending one. - Yes, sir. [inaudible] Indeed, though, the America

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[inaudible] You from now on, are you trying to get this right? Yes, sir. God came down.

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Yes, sir. God put over human flesh. Oh, yeah. Not the rich, though, we get to do that.

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much for my little mind, but I believe it. That God came uniquely, adequately, finally, and indisputably indeed. God came. Yes, sir.

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And when you shout on Jesus' name, you're talking about God, not just the Jesus of history, but the God of eternity. Yes, sir. Now, if you can't set that preacher, you're a--

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All right. You don't need no preacher who can't acknowledge that God was in Christ. Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

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I know. [INAUDIBLE] [inaudible] What was the word? I like that so much.

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And the word was? And the word was? With love. And by him was all things made.

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Without him was nothing made that is made. [inaudible] [inaudible] No wonder angels say he had his first.

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[laughter] No wonder he turned white from white. [laughter] And walked on water.

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[laughter] No wonder he raised the dead and opened them blinded eyes. [laughter] No wonder they said never man had prayed like this man.

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[laughter] No wonder he told the wind to hut and the waters to be quiet. And he never said, "Hallelujah." No wonder.

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No wonder. Yes, sir. [laughter] Yes.

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Yes. Yes. [laughter] [inaudible]

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[inaudible] The grave couldn't hold me. No wonder homicides end. You got it?

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That's it. That's it. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. God came. He came down. That he might lift us up.

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Yes, sir. Yes, sir. God condescended. Yes, sir.

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Yes, sir. humanity that he might elevate us to divinity. God became what we were in order that we might become what we are. And if you had a little time to give him, you know you meet no real man.

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All right. If you just root him, you know that more than a man is talking man. Yes, sir. If you just get in the garden alone by yourself and talk with him a little while, you know that more than a man is talking man.

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Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Don't listen to her over there, sir.

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Yes, sir. That's what I think about him. He's the truly existent one. He's the God, the ascended one.

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But he is also the ascended one. That's what I think about him. I think that he did ascend. I don't think he had no health.

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He didn't need no chariot of fire like an ox would. No horse was perfect. He just ascended. By his own self-meditation and upward gravitation, he just ascended.

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[laughter] [laughter] [inaudible] Yes, sir.

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[inaudible] [inaudible] Now, if you have any trouble believing he is a citizen,

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just don't forget that he is a Roman. [laughter] Yes, sir. [inaudible]

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All right. [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible]

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[inaudible] [laughter] [inaudible] Don't worry if you ain't this crowd.

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You'll see somebody. [inaudible] When the Roman generals would capture their victims, they would march through the streets of Rome,

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[inaudible] that they had conquered. Yes, sir. And I imagine when Jesus got back to heaven,

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he strode through the boulevard like a conqueror. Yes, sir. But he had conquered hell and heaven again. Yes, sir.

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And I imagine when he got back there, They must have greeted him with a triumphant song. Oh yeah. I don't know what they sang, but they could have sung...

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They could have sung "Lift Up Your Head." [laughter] Oh, he is a hero. Lift up your head.

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[LAUGHTER] Yes, sir. [INAUDIBLE] Yes, sir.

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[INAUDIBLE] Yes, sir. [INAUDIBLE] Yes, sir.

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[INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] Yes, sir. [INAUDIBLE]

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[CHEERING] Yeah. [CHEERING] [INAUDIBLE]

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Yes, sir. Yes, sir. [inaudible] [inaudible]

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Yes, sir. [inaudible] [inaudible] [roar]

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Yes, sir. [inaudible] [inaudible] [laughing]

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But he's not only the pre-savior, the God of the sinners, the sinning one, but he is the returning one. [Yes, yes.] [Yes, sir.] He's coming back again.

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[Yes, sir.] [Yes, he is.] [Hallelujah, hallelujah.] [Hallelujah.]

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[Yes, sir.] [What a relief!] [Yes, sir.] [crowd cheering]

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Oh, he's coming back! Yes, sir. Yes. Yes, sir.

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Yes, sir. And I will be ready. Yes, sir. Yes, you.

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Yes, sir. I'm going to walk into the room. Yes, sir. Just like this.

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I, I'm going to be ready. Yes, sir. For the saints. Yes.

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To be watching me. Yes, sir. I will be ready. Yes, sir.

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[MUSIC] [Cheering] Why don't you try and get rid of him now? If you're not ready, he's coming back again.

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[Cheering] Do you hear me? He's coming back again. They used to sing it in my church a lot.

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It was, "My Lord gave us grace, "All that we need. "My Lord gave us grace, "All that we need.

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♪ Now our game does play ♪ ♪ Fall and play ♪ ♪ Oh who shall be ♪ ♪ Assailed ♪

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♪ Oh our game does play ♪ ♪ Fall and play ♪ ♪ Oh, my Lord in the strain ♪ ♪ Fall and break ♪

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♪ Oh, my Lord in the strain ♪ ♪ Fall and break ♪ ♪ Oh, who shall be able ♪ ♪ Oh, sing about the people ♪

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♪ Who will be running in that gravy ♪ ♪ Oh, sing about the people ♪ ♪ Who will be running in that gravy ♪ ♪ Oh, sing about the people ♪

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♪ In that great ♪ ♪ Oh, who shall be able ♪ ♪ To stand ♪ ♪ With me ♪

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♪ In that great ♪ ♪ Oh, who will be ♪ [Chanting] [BLANK_AUDIO]