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Something about the Marian Society and the origin of Lviv. The idea of creating a women's association on a legal basis came up at the end of November and at the beginning of June. It came up by chance, because the state of moral degradation

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We were so deeply affected that all the structures were destroyed, not only the structures of human life, but also the land and the women's society. There are a lot of women alcoholics, drug addicts, women beggars. In short, what the world is based on, we have destroyed. And then we decided to form an initiative group to create a society in the name of the Mother of God, a Marian society.

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But unlike the old society, it should not be religious, it should be spiritual, secular. It has more of a worldly basis. We started to prepare the appeal, and in the meantime we appealed to the priests, actually to the priests of the Orthodox Church of St. Nicholas in Lvov,

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because this is an official church, people go there, and asked them to send a prayer for the children of Chernivtsi. At the same time, we appealed to our priests, But there was no such thing as taking them out of the church.

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They were still born in the wrong place. What a surprise it was when the Orthodox priests said that they could not send the prayer or the political act. To pray for children with a political act.

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It was so strange and it shocked us so much We decided to come to the church and pray together. So we came to the church. And for the first time we had not so many people, 150-200, maybe 300-400 people from the church.

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We immediately invited our priest, the Greek-Catholic priest, and we prayed under the cross for the children, for the children of Chernivtsi. and since the disaster in Romania happened recently, I want to point out why we turned to the Church of St. Nicholas, because it was on December 18, Sunday,

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just before the patron of all the children of St. Nicholas. Well, we were told that it was a political act. At the same time, we prepared a letter to the women of Ukraine. It is on two pages.

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If you think, I can read it. What do you think? - Yes, please. - "From the ages of the women's shoulders..."

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- Yes, it should be like this. "To the women of Ukraine." "From the ages of the women's shoulders, it was entrusted to them the most sacred duty to protect the family and family freedom, and with it love and purity, the ancestral traditions and the commandments,

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to raise in children the feeling of personal dignity and freedom. In the songs sung by mother, sister, beloved, She was always a firm believer in good and truth, a bright angel of honesty and honor. No violence broke her.

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But when the people fell on the hands of the old-fashioned, the hands of artificial hunger, mass exports, the ruination of all moral, historical, cultural values, general dehumanization and cynicism, the woman was transformed into a slave. She was enslaved, forced to work in the kolkhoz, in factories and factories,

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A modern woman is forced to raise her children in the spirit of conformism and diversity. A woman who is deprived of time to determine the crime of her opinion cannot resist the inhuman degradation of human personality that is instilled by school. A woman who is deprived of authority in the eyes of men cannot resist the family's hunger

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and the generation of the uneducated youth, the blind and the blind is growing. The spiritual wasteland is filled with drugs and alcohol, indifference and skepticism. The unbridled rage of immorality ruins the understanding of female dignity. Dissolution, hard-on-the-tongue, alcoholism - all this has become commonplace today for many women.

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Hundreds of thousands of children are wandering around children's homes, deprived of maternal love. How will these children grow up if they do not see the words of their mother, do not recognize the family burden, which, when on the verge of a difficult feeling of injustice, they will carry with them in life? Having lost faith in the higher meaning of life, in the conduct and mercy, we have lost the right to free existence.

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A moral and ecological crisis is dragging on us, like a deadly sting. The earth is in radioactive waste, the water is contaminated, chemical and technological processes are gradually transforming people into physical particles, and demoralization into spiritual particles.

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We must think, we must listen to the honest voice of those who openly claim [Russian] The most effective weapon, faith and mercy, kindness and understanding, were always in the hands of women. And in our will and effort to raise it again, to return people's desire for justice and faith, the triumph of truth,

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to turn their gaze to the world of spiritual values. Not only the monuments of history, culture and art need protection now, but also the human souls, destroyed by fear, uncertainty, and indifference. Therefore, we must unite to fully defend the forces of evil.

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We call on the women in Ukraine to create a spiritual-sacred union "Maria's Society of Mercy" in the name of the greatest and holiest patroness of our Mother Mary. Unlike the union established 70 years ago in Ukraine, our union will not be limited to only spiritual-religious problems.

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At the dawn of its history, our people chose one of the most humane religions, which helped it to withstand both spiritually and physically. The moral principles of the Gospel and the centuries-old traditions of our Christian people are the highest principles throughout the centuries. These are love for your loved ones, for the neglected, for the hurt, for the compassion and mercy that help a person to rise from the worst fall and become full.

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These are the rules that call not to revenge and reckoning, but to repentance and patience, understanding and awareness of the value of the human spirit and human life. And only in this way can we resist moral degradation, return to women and men dignity and self-respect,

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a sacred understanding of the motherly and paternal duty. The Initiative Committee on the Creation of the Marian Society of the New Heart I invite Christians, women and girls of 16 years of age, regardless of their position, social status, education, etc. to unite in the Maryan family. Our main principle is to keep the commandments of God, to ask the clergy, men, representatives of other denominations to support women in their noble service.

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The practical activities of the Marian Society of Mercy include the secular, spiritual and charitable activities. Mercy will raise the question of the need to publish a Christian women's magazine, which would explain the spiritual and moral problems of personality, saving the family, raising children in the spirit of love, faith, respect for relatives, traditions and history of the people.

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Members of the Marian Society will visit orphanages, will visit the sick in the old-age homes, in the prisons, will organize spiritual and material assistance for them, will try to read this law for children and adults,

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with the participation of the clergy, where the law of God and the basic rules of religion and religious traditions will be studied. We know that our first steps will be easy. What is marked by cynicism will be thrown at us by those

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who have been deprived of the feeling of kindness, humanity, and the highest truth, who have long trampled on the commandments of the Father. and people, so full of the most sacred feelings,

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call us only for sympathy. We hope that our activity will convince them of the omnipotence of God's grace. Thank you very much. This appeal, we then distributed it near the Church of St. Nicholas,

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there were about 50 pieces. And at the same time, on that appeal, we said that we are starting our activity as an initiative group, and that the first step of our activity will be the general prayer, monthly. And so it happened that our next prayer after December 18th came on January 22nd.

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And then, on January 22nd, when we prayed for the unity of this nation, when we prayed for our children, for all children, both Ukrainian and children of those who live in Ukraine, in Ukraine, then we understood that the activity of our society, as well as the spiritual rebirth of the whole nation, is directly dependent on the legalization of the Ukrainian Church. You asked about the legalization of our Church.

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We understood that everything will depend on it, and our activity and the possibility of our educational work among our women is directly dependent on the activity of our Church. since the Russian Orthodox Church is not interested in spiritual activities for the people. It is not interested in raising the people spiritually, it is only interested in their earnings.

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What can you tell us about the current situation of our Orthodox Church here? The situation of the church is catacombs. It is really hard to imagine for a person who has not lived here and does not know this. It's hard to imagine that people are not allowed to baptize their child.

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I had to baptize my daughter and my granddaughter secretly. And when the priest came to my house to baptize my granddaughter, we baptized her later. We turned on the radio in this room so that we could not hear that there was a baptism. The priests were persecuted in a cruel way.

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They tried to follow every one of them, always to follow their tails. And when people in the civil, so to speak, were waiting for the priest to come to the house,

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they waited for 5-10 minutes, then they came in. And if they stopped him from performing the rite, then, of course, there was a lot of terrible trouble. Anyway, there is a lot of talk about it,

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it is widely known, it is being written a lot now. But it is obvious that what is the norm of life for every normal, honest, and well-behaved family, we were deprived of all this. We were deprived of the opportunity to communicate with our spiritual pastors. We were deprived of the opportunity to catechize our children.

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The fear of the atheistic, and that's why it's so beautiful, of the atheistic society, is like the black night that covers a person and you can't see the exit from it. And in fact, it was complete destruction of the faith in the Church. And only by miracle can we explain that the Church has survived

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and that today it stands in its own way and attracts people to it. - How do you understand and look at the possibilities of legalization of the Rakoptovich Church? I see that if we only hope that this act will be done for us and that we will say that we ignored the Lviv Cathedral in 1946, it is a very, very sad hope, because we have a practice of relating Russia to the Ukrainian Catholic Church,

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to the Church that really became the Church of the Ukrainian people. Let's recall, Peter I had already destroyed the priests in Rivne, where he had cut the priest's sword open and knocked out his skull. With what terrible fury the Tsarist authorities threw themselves on this church. Let's recall the year 1914. The Tsarist army came here and immediately all churches, including the military cathedral of 1946, were moved to Orthodox churches.

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The real Metropolitan Church was sent to Siberia. Russia never recognized the Ukrainian Church. And the fact is not that it is a Greek Catholic Church. It just did not recognize the Ukrainian Church, the national church,

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as it did not recognize the existence of our whole nation. And today, the Church has shown that it is the true Church of the Ukrainian people. And in this, it is important that it is the most favorable among people. For many years of its existence, for many centuries of its existence,

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The people, together with all the spiritual forces, created a spiritual shelter, a temple of their own spirit. It is already like that in the world, that every nation has created its own temple. And if a handful of people of the same nationality gather somewhere, or abroad, or somewhere else, They can build their own dugouts and immediately think about where to put their own church and not go to someone else's.

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And that's why Russian Orthodoxy is unique. It always goes to someone else's church. What is the possibility of such a real legalization of our church? I believe in time. I know that it will be returned to us only by prayer. It must be returned, because it does not matter whether the Russian hierarchy will give us our churches. The longer they don't give it back, the more they will be like the rich man, who has already given everything in this world, and has nothing to wait for in the life of others.

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And we are like that poor Lazarus. I know that it is not so. Because we, the people here on earth, are just grains. Our life is as short as the shortness of the grain lying in the ground. And no lord, no free man can help the grain to sprout.

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That is, he can't help the grain to die so that it can sprout up again. This is a will, this is our will. We want to be and grow with our spirituality in a new, unexplored world. Because we are planted here, we are grown.

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But I know that we have everything for that. I can only sympathize with the hierarchs of the Russian Orthodox Church. I can only sympathize with them, because they themselves do not know what they are afraid of, how unhappy they are and what they are attached to.

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How did each spiritual being attach themselves to? And they are really unhappy. Because when today we hear from Russians what they say about their spirituality, it is terrible. And if in such terrible years of Stalinism, when everything was lost and destroyed, this church did not die, then perhaps we should remember the words of Andrei Sheptytsky, who said that the church would be terribly ruined. and the time will come when it will rise and bloom even more beautiful,

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on the floor of the whole world. It is not his words, but his thoughts. I always remember them. And now I am a witness of what happened.

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Indeed, on the floor of the whole world, you go to the church. Because you can not let people go to the church, but no one will forbid them to pray. and pray under the sky, the sky that is our biggest temple.

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You, Irina, know our friend Vladimir. Can you tell us something about him? How do you know him? How long have you known him? I met him for the first time in 1978, so it was 10 or 11 years ago,

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when I came to the vacation when I was in Zaslin. Actually, Vladyka himself wished to see me, which indicates that he was interested in the fate of his compatriots, people who were in Brezhnev's term for nothing. At that time I was very worried and troubled by problems, first national, and then spiritual. The path to faith is not easy.

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In order to become a convinced believer, when a person is looking for it, I would not say that it is so easy. At that time, I, a Catholic, was living in a Ukrainian autocephalous church. There was some kind of discrimination. Discrimination that people were thrown into the church where they could be threatened with colonization.

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I was not so much interested in the idea of the Roman Empire as I was interested in the idea of the Soviet Union. I shared my thoughts with Vladimir Vladimirovich. And today I think about how much patience, tolerance, understanding he had to listen to me very patiently. Do you understand? I understand.

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Very patiently. This is a rare gift. Yes. [ Foreign Language ] The path of search. And then, when I came to the full understanding of faith,

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it came to the Greek-Catholic. I know, I am interrupting myself a little, but I know one thing, that the National Church is a spiritual church, because the nation is not a material substrate. We need to distinguish between the concept of ethnicity and the concept of nation. A nation is a spiritual substance.

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A nation is a language, a culture, a song, a tradition. A nation is something that remains forever. It is a new sphere of this people, so to speak. And ethnicity is something completely different.

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And religion, when it lies on the good grounds of the nation, it gives the opportunity to develop into the strongest, most powerful and holiest spiritual factor. And here I understood one thing, that without such a person as Andrei Sheptytsky, who was for me a holy person from childhood,

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I can't talk about any other, about the Atocatay church, about anything. I live and think about Andrei Sheptytsky all the time. And if there is no Greek-Catholic church, there will be no celebration of that name. You see, there is such a connection.

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Because thanks to Andrei Sheptytsky, I probably live in the world as thousands of my peers live, He saved the life of the grandson of the German occupation. He was helping the children, he was taking them to Alexander Barvinsky,

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who was writing them food. I live spiritually because of him. I don't know if every people could meet such spiritual pastors. I put my trust in him, in his great spirit,

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of the Spirit, for his ability to repent when it was necessary and to speak the truth more than when it was necessary, for his deep humanity to all and all, and I put him on the same level as King and Gandhi. When the idea of the creation of the Initiative of the Marienkoszko-Towarystvo Group came up,

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it was impossible to do without the advice of the Metropolitan. He was needed here, his hand was in need of caresses. Metropolitan Vladimir. And so we met him for the second time.

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And I was once again amazed by the deep intelligence of this person, and very deeply, almost like a fatherly care, for the fate of all those who are faithful to him. Well, who else would throw people into the struggle for the Church today, without thinking that there is prayer and faith for us before the Church?

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If God wills, it will be. It will be ours. It must be. And he would say, "Go, go." No, the Metropolitan will not do that. It is not... Someone might say that it is a precaution.

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It is not a precaution. He always puts faith and God's will first. He does not forbid anyone to express their will, but he believes that the most important thing is to take care

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that the service of God, if it is sent, it should be sent as a holy one, not as a show, not to gather a mass of people,

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but to unite people with their spirituality. And at the same time, despite his years, despite all the difficulties,

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because two years ago, only because he visited his sister, who was married to Professor Bogdan Mikhailovich Zadorozhny, Professor Gotyst, a rare specialist in the Soviet Union.

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There are only two Gotysts in the country. And the Professor was generally recognized. Just because his brother Sternyuk visited his sister, the Professor was fired.

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It was a reconstruction, it was already 1987. And despite everything, this person who was never afraid to meet me, or Stepa, or anyone like us, who was alive and interested in literature and art, a person who knows languages, a person who is extremely delicate, well, I don't know,

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I saw before me a spiritual pastor, who could have been a good conversation with the Holy Matrona. Thank you. In your opinion, should the Church unite the Ukrainian people? It is written in the Gospel that the nations will be united under the one word of the pastor, Jesus Christ, and even the unfaithful will believe.

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I think that humanity is going to that long road. And I think, I don't know if my comparison will be understood. We are experiencing terrible crises in our history. When you look at the history of the Earth, it is scary.

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The highest time of war, the highest time of bloodshed, the highest time of indifference, the highest time of establishing one's own, the fall of another. But there is also a certain legality. Every empire that spread out, painted a poppy seed, scattered. Every emperor who considered himself something, painted a painting of the poppy seed.

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Nobody knew him, except historians. But where there was spirituality, it remained. Poets, doctors, Nazis, people. And if the whole history of the development of humanity goes to make it clear that a pastor should be a spiritual pastor,

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the same example must be taken for the Earth. It is not by chance that it is called the "herd of God". This is not a disgrace. The herd of the wise, the herd of the highly intellectual,

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the herd of the spiritual - this is actually unity. But someone has to be its shepherd. The whole Earth gives us something. We have to think that we have to give something back.

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And if we are united as a nation, we must give our pastors our spiritual achievements, our creativity, our songs, our music, our art. What we create, because we have a creative God's soul that is inspired in us. But for that we have to unite in that flock. And if we have to unite in him, then here on earth we must have our own pastor.

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And so I see this unification of this people only through faith. I know that it is impossible to make everyone a saint. I know that there will always be a bottom, some 5%, but we have almost 30%. I know that there will always be honest and dishonest people, but in their struggle for spirituality,

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there must be as many honest people as possible. There must be as many people who think that they have to give something back, that they are not a seed that has to wither, but that has to grow, that they are not a candle that has to smoke, but the one that has to burn,

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to keep the eternal fire. People who have to feel their duty. But in order to feel it, they have to have the hand, the hand that will lead them.

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Which will lead them on the road. So, somewhere ahead, the time when the presidents, the prime ministers will decide the spiritual fate of their nations,

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and their spiritual pastors will decide, gathering the chieftains, for sure, who will say that we don't do this to each other, because we are gathered here to coexist. Let those who are economists do economics.

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And the most dirty thing is that there is politics. If politics is not changed to a high moral spirituality, we all will be destroyed. I can imagine how fantastic it would be,

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I think I have the right to speak about it, because we are really standing before the end. The Earth is bombarded with nuclear bombs. At any moment it can explode.

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Only high morality can save it. And I believe that it will be, that it will be. And that the road we call today the road of ecumenism, or the road of truth, it must be the truth,

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as Sheptytsky dreamed of it, this very road will lead our people to unity. And no one will ask, whether you are an Orthodox or a Greek Catholic,

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Christians, where representatives of the spiritual pastoralism of our people will walk our path together with the whole world. Yes, I imagine it. Maybe it's my imagination, but I don't believe it. You asked about morality. Can you tell us something about the moral problems of modern life in the Soviet Union, in Ukraine?

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If a person was pushed into the water, and they pressed him from above, and said, "Tell me, what can you say about the oxygen, how do you breathe there?" That's all I can say. That's the hardest part of all. Because everything that happened until then was marked with the beginning of absolute amnesia.

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That's all. And to speak, you have to start from the very beginning. You have to start from the smallest. And from the smallest, it means from the little one, which you have to baptize. And the parents were hesitating how to baptize the child, so that they would know at work or at the institute, if they were studying.

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We had to teach the child to pray and tell her "wish" If she goes to the first seat, don't tell her that you taught her We had to hide from the child to let her read catechism or religious books The child became a pioneer, because otherwise she would be despised by everyone

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And the pioneers are atheists. The child entered the Komsomol, because otherwise she would not enter. She is doomed, she is exhausted. She has only a broom in her hands.

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She will not reveal any of her knowledge. The child went to the army, and so on. What kind of morale can you talk about? If humanity had thought so carefully about this,

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it would have had to be more terrified than it is now. Maybe today we will rise up a little, we will somehow resurrect, revive all this. But I will say again, I do not see this revival if there is no Church. Because the Church that is the occupier, it cannot give any truth, any truth.

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During our Holy Liturgy and our various church visits, we often recall the ancient, traditional word "Orthodox". How does this word sound in your ears? In my ears it sounds absolutely normal, but in the ears of many people who did not go to churches, who lived, "Teeth falling off, closing in on four walls, and going to the front, I'm only going to the church"

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This word sounds negative. And it scares me. Because these people reveal two aspects in this. First, that they don't understand the meaning of this word. And secondly, they don't think about the fact that they, as Islamists, shouldn't allow themselves even such intolerance.

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Do you understand? They are so sick, so used to it, so resigned to the Moscow Orthodoxy, that they don't want to hear that word. Unfortunately, there are priests who do not want to explain to them that they should not do so. Our Metropolitan explains to many priests who are obedient to him.

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And there are priests who do not want to explain this. I think they take a sin upon themselves. Because a person who believes, should pray not only for the true meaning of the word, but for all communists and for them. Thank you very much, Mrs. Gerano. We will pray for you and for everyone, so that God will bless you.

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Glory to Jesus Christ! Glory to the Father! We will speak with one of our believers, the priest of our Holy Church in Lviv. Mr. Ivan, please introduce yourself to our general diaspora.

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Ivan Hrechko, my nickname is "collector". I am an engineer by profession. Now I am retired. Well, according to tradition and my deep conviction, I am a Greek Catholic.

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I left the Greek Catholic house, where the traditions of Greek Catholicism were strongly rooted, and I confessed and practiced every day. And this was passed on to me by my mother. I went to school in Poland. We had a religion in the West. Our catechisms were in the Catholic faith.

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That's how we got to this day, those who were in the Southern Catechization at that time, when it was possible to have all spiritual practices and science, religious school. After we became a member of the Soviet government, we were forbidden to perform religious practices in our convent.

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It was done secretly. Later, when I was a student, because I lived in Hortozhutka, At the beginning we practiced our daily religious, early evening prayers. But later the circumstances of life and our young age changed our choices.

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I didn't join Orthodoxy, I didn't join the Russian Orthodox Church. I couldn't do my own thing in the way we were taught since childhood. I didn't go to church. But when I realized I was a citizen, after the graduation of the institute,

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I started to be interested in the faith of my parents, in Greek Catholicism. And to this day, I'm still particularly interested in this issue. Besides my, I would say, pride and collection, the question of faith and, in particular, the question of the Greek-Catholic order is very interesting to me.

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It is interesting to me, as I have already said, because I was raised in this order, and it is interesting to me from the purely theological point of view, or maybe from the historical point of view.

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I never oppose the Orthodox faith of the Greek-Catholic Church, neither the Orthodox faith of Ukraine. I do not oppose it as an alternative, but I understand it as a synthesis of two religions, the Latin and the Byzantine.

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And it makes me even more proud that this Greek-Catholic faith, this confession, somehow synthesizes these two great branches of Christian faith. And I, as a Ukrainian, am glad that such a mission has fallen on our fate. God has put on the fate of the Ukrainian people, I consider it a great duty, to bring these two faiths together, the Latin and the Byzantine.

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And that we have been in this faith for almost 400 years, I believe that this is the same, the work of God's mind, and we have a living example of, I would say, some kind of unification of these two faiths, when it goes without pain, without struggle, without any reluctance to one another. So, everything is connected here, and it has found a new form, so to say, of the unification of these two faiths.

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Now, as for our current affairs. I made a small excursus in the past, This is my spiritual basis, my connection to the current issues of faith and our Church, and in particular to the state it is in now, when it is starting to come out of the catacomb. So, thinking about the future of our Church, its current state and its near future,

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And in those frequent conversations, because now we have to say that our intelligentsia has been very busy with this question, the question of faith, because it sees that we, as it were, say, spiritual bankruptcies will be if we do not have our faith. And faith in general as such, because we must say that a lot of intelligentsia has left faith, from faith itself, I do not even speak of others. and the circumstances in which we live.

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And, of course, this is typical for the whole world, some indifference to the questions of faith. In those frequent conversations, in which we now often,

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in some private conversations, we are discussing some topics on the issues of the Greek-Catholic faith, we are somehow, as it happened, we are clinging to the future of our Church, which is actually coming out of the ashes.

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We see its good condition. I am aware that the intellectual level is now very low. We have lost seminaries, we have lost the academy. And the fact that our young priests have such a level,

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and not higher ones, like their colleagues abroad. It's not their fault. We thank God and the people who heard the voice of God and went, not looking at the danger that threatened them at every step, went to learn from the priests, but we see that they learned only,

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We don't have theologians, we don't have philosophers here. And this is one of the reasons why we don't see a great unity in the Church. We do not see in the hierarchy of our present and in the hierarchy of the clergy such a general desire for the authority of the metropolitan, the main hierarch.

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We, the laypeople, who look at the Church as our national sanctuary, are very confused. We try to bring together all the hierarchies, there are not many of them, We know how many of them left the underground. And to unite them around the person of the Metropolitan.

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We are not talking specifically about Metropolitan Kir Volodymyr, or maybe someone else would be in his place. We are talking about the figure of the Metropolitan. In our understanding and in our traditions,

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the figure of Metropolitan Galetskiy is the central figure. the whole Church behind it. We see through the Metropolitan all our structure of our Church. Mary, the Spiritist, the Hierarchy. that now there is some kind of disobedience, as we hear, because we are close to the person of the Metropolitan, and we see that disobedience among our hierarchy, we see some kind of disdain for the Metropolitan,

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This is very worrying for us. That's why we are trying to bring to the public in all possible legal and illegal ways the information of our most blessed metropolitan

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Miroslav Lyubachivskyi in Rome. We are trying to bring to his public all these cases. And we ask that He finds a way to make up for our troubles.

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Because we are afraid that if our Church would be legalized, and it would be legalized in the moral state in which it is now, I mean, the connection between the moral metropolis, the hierarchy and the clergy, So, we should not laugh at the world. We are aware that these things are inspired from the outside.

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That is not to listen to the metropolitan, not to respect him, not to respect. We are very aware that through the third hand, probably, someone is controlling it, so to speak. But we don't have people who are called to counterattack the attacks that our Church is carrying out. We can only oppose this fight with our high consciousness, both civic and Christian.

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And we should realize that our Church has to leave the basement ready to carry out a new catechization of people, adults, not only children. We must address the West, not only our Ukrainian, but also the Church of Needs and maybe there are other organizations that we do not know about, to help us with the relevant literature. I mean, the catechism, the prayer books, the Bible, and not only that, maybe there is also some Christian literature, some sort of, as we call it in the civil sense, "Christian reading", which would be, for an ordinary layman,

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some kind of spiritual nourishment, yes, and some kind of spiritual education. We don't have a program yet, how should our people's religious awareness work. Our people have a desire to their faith and need to practice it. it is passed down only by tradition and it is, how to say, built not on a great Christian consciousness,

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because all people are not religiously educated. There are already three generations, probably, that have grown up in the last 50 years, when our church was disbanded. We don't know which way our Church should take to work. We would need to somehow push our youth to the West

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so that it would pass these high theological sciences, to return here, to take the place of those of our hierarchs and priests who have gained the theological knowledge before the war, and who, of course, will leave the arena of life, and the burden of his church activity in his lifetime.

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So we have a lot of troubles, a lot of problems, a lot of hopes for the West. Because until now we have looked at the West, our diaspora, as our saviors in the future. Now that the borders have been loosened a bit, when our brothers come from the West, when some of us can go to the invitation,

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we are just as bitterly disappointed with what is being done in our diaspora, in the church of Niva, between our brothers. There is also no unity there, as we feel. We sometimes don't want to believe it, sometimes we think that someone is joking with us to kill our faith and hope.

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But when we get this information, we have to believe it. and we see that there is no unity among our hierarchy in matters that are as cardinal for us as the Ukrainian Patriarchate. Our political consciousness, the general Ukrainian consciousness, has matured to the point who wants to have his church, the structure of his church, completed by a patriarchal system.

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Moreover, the mission of the Most Blessed Joseph was generally known to us. We did not know it in full, we did not know his program in full, but we heard it in fragments. What he does, how hard it is for him to do this work, and how he is hindered by his own people. It was such an unexpected blow for us, that we thought it was a general punishment of God,

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that we were in a catastrophe. The people we relied on, the hierarchies, I mean the London bishop, the South American bishops, we know them by their names, but I won't name them.

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We didn't even hate them. We prayed for them to be given some kind of Ukrainian worldview, so that we all act as one, so that we all unite around the idea of the Most Blessed Joseph, in the fulfillment of this and that building, which is so sacred and so important to us.

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because we feel that this is a reflection of the ideas and thoughts of Kir Andrei, which Joseph himself began to realize. And on the one hand, we were glad that we are, so to speak, witnesses and some passive participants of those events, because we were actively involved in them,

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could not be accepted here. On the other hand, we started terribly, so to speak, in our language, over that "proud man" who started with the advent of this among our hierarchy. And there was done what is now being done in our country.

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It started with disobedience to Joseph. We see it now in our country. And we hope for God's will, that God will give us some reason and Ukrainian feelings in the Ukrainian hearts of those foreign leaders and those of ours here.

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Somehow, it will help us to get out of this trouble. Our trouble is that we don't have our own church press here, so that we can propagate this idea, and so that we can somehow polymerize, and to be able to give to those foreign hierarchs, who do not obey the patriarchal ideas,

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that maybe they would listen to the voice of their native land, to the voice of the motherland, Maybe they would accept it to their hearts, maybe they would humble their ambitions, those of curses, those of "I would not want to offend anyone". But those ambitions, those personal ones, that everyone wants to be a emperor in his own little kingdom,

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so that they look at our Ukrainian affairs more broadly. Because the Ukrainian affairs now come to the political arena with a broad front, because all the nations are much smaller than us. All the nations that came to political consciousness much later already have their own states.

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Because as soon as they realized that they were in a slave position, that they were in a political humiliation, they all started to act in the same direction. We do not see this among our people, both abroad and here, unfortunately. And now we have to deal with our diaspora as much as possible.

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We are aware that time and our disunity during this long time have created in us slightly different mentalities. And the world in which we live is no different from here. And now we need as many meetings as possible, both private and collective.

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It would be very desirable for us to be brought together there. because we cannot invite you to come to us, and we cannot pay you for the road. We can only provide you with a modest accommodation in a private house,

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a miserable one, which we are living in. It suits us. We do not pay for the way we are going. It suits us, the level of material life we are living in. We are very interested in spiritual matters.

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But we would like to go there, so that we could, in those contacts, maybe with a wider audience, maybe with separate people,

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maybe with separate groups of people who are occupied with the issues of faith, issues of our culture in general, so that we could somehow explain

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our view on these matters, on the issues of our faith, our culture and our spirit. And thus, we would somehow bend our ways of thinking, our ways of feeling, our mentalities,

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which have already begun to diverge a little, in the same direction, in the direction that is needed by all, that is needed by our Ukrainian land, that is needed by our national ideas.

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And our national idea is our state and our church. A state that has all the rights that are given to it by God and what other nations have, what states they have. Your own state, your own mother, she doesn't want to give birth to her children.

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We understand these things this way. This is what I could tell you. I would like to say once again that if I were to name some people, I would not name their names, I would like to state that I do not even know them from the photo, how they look.

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And I have no hatred or bad attitude towards them, towards people, and especially towards Ukrainians. If they would have felt offended or offended by my harsh words, they understand that this is not my voice, this is not my personal attitude to them. I say again, I don't even know them, but their actions contradict our needs,

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the needs of the whole Ukrainian people. Let them realize this. And I hope they don't take me for bad, these words, maybe they will hear that they are wrong, I hope they don't take me for it.

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I am aware of the fact that this is our pain. We would not want to hear about them, we would not want to know about it. But when it is like that, we have to know it,

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and we have to speak out loud about it, [speaking in foreign language] [ Foreign Language ] Because we live only by the Spirit. For us, spiritual matters play a leading role.

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I keep saying that we don't need candles, we don't need jeans, we don't need a scarf. We need a book and we need contacts with those people who are there and who would like to serve in our Ukrainian church and political affairs. So we need to look for those details with them, and somehow to compare our ways of thinking,

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which are a little different. What else did I see? This is from my own experience, from those many contacts that we had to have in those three years,

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Because those contacts were very rare and somehow unlikable. We were afraid of each other. We talked to each other, even when someone came to us, we whispered and hinted at each other, and we didn't understand each other. Now, during the last three years, the contacts between us have become more frequent.

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We felt that the Western Ukrainian, the one who was born there, who may be our peers, but mostly younger, those who are now under 40 years old, They look at us as romantic, infantile children. And that is because we can't count money,

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because we never talk about what is wrong with us, that we are poor. We don't talk about it in presence of modern people. Maybe that's why they have to debunk us a little bit.

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You know, for us material world means nothing. We would like to live as they do, materially. But we are aware that it is a very long term for us. If we live on our native land, we would also get there in time.

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material. For us it doesn't matter anymore, living here. For us, the spiritual matters, the spiritual matters of our nation, including church matters, play the first key role. And for them to know it the same way, and for them to not start all the We didn't start our talks with the idea that it costs 20, 30 or 50 dollars.

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We don't want to hear such things. If they come here to solve some issues, they don't talk to us about money. because we put our soul and body, and many of us put it, and put it, these people with whom you spoke today, one of them is still here, put everything on the victim, and put their fate, and did not speak for money, and still does not speak. The people who come to us have this idea that we should talk to them as equals, about the

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issues of the idea, and if they think that our proposal will cost a lot, they will talk to us in their circles. But they don't tell us that it can't be done, because it costs dollars. These are their attitudes to us, and these are the words that somehow cool us down.

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We are losing our hands, and we cannot come to ourselves for a long time because of the disappointment. Then we start to talk to each other, "Well, we have to rely on ourselves. how much we will earn and how much we will have. And we have hands, we have a hot heart, we have a great willpower.

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But we don't have money, because we don't have not only dollars, but we don't have rubles, because we had such salaries that we could afford, and not so much that we had our own account in banks. And then we start to take away from that miserable salary,

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what is done at the expense of children, at the expense of our family. That's what we do. Let everyone keep this in mind. I ask to convey this to the attention of all those Ukrainians,

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Ukrainian organizations, both volunteers and all. There are many organizations, both Ukrainian and political, social, cultural. When it comes to a big national account, an account of such an ideological order, then there can be no money here.

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Thank you, Mr. Zinchenko. I would like to ask you about the person of Metropolitan Vladimir, we appreciate him very much. Do you know him better than I do, or can you tell us something about him?

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About the person of Metropolitan, since we are standing near him, We believe that there is nothing better now. There is no one who can replace him. We do not see a better candidate.

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And we ask God to give him a long life and the consciousness, both Christian and national, which he has now. And this is a complete nonsense. Because we know that such crimes are being committed against him, our Church and all of us.

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That he has already become a non-man, both spiritually and mentally, at his old age. I am not in love with him, because I am not a young man, I am aware of my attachment to him, to the person and to our hierarch. I must say that he is absolutely on the right track. He understands everything very well.

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He has a very broad view of the affairs of our Church and of our national affairs. and all those insinuations against him, or some ambitionaries from the circles of our church hierarchy, are sent there, behind whom, perhaps, there are some black political forces, who, as I said, whisper some facts about him through third-party sources.

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They take the coins, as we say, and add more from themselves and let them go to the West. This should be ended somehow, and we are helpless here, because we have no influence on those people who let such spits. I think that there must be a certain circular sent here by the more experienced Miroslav to end this. And that all the cases that are being done here go through the person of the Metropolitan.

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they must be accepted, so to speak. Because there are cases when those who bypass the Metropolitan here, those who do something that is not in favor of our Church, say that they have permission for it, of the Metropolitan of the Blessed, the telephone one.

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So, I would like to say, if you have the opportunity to say something to the person in need, that no telephone order should be rejected. they have to come, I don't know which way, I think those who will give the orders will find it,

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in written form, and only later can they be confirmed by phone. Because, I say again, I don't know if I have specified the idea well,

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So, reminding our Metropolitan, those who do something that goes beyond their competence, refer to the fact that they have a personal permission from the Most Blessed of the Romans. So, we would ask, as they say, we would ask that for the good of the Church and the faith of our Most Blessed Miroslav, that he has given some kind of a pledge that he does not give any orders to private persons,

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even if they have the rank of a hierarch of the church. Here the bishop does not give. Then we will have a document against their actions and show them that there is a document, which is released by the Supreme Council,

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which denies your current statement that you refer to the fact that you had a telephone conversation with the Romans and you got a personal report. Because these are some kind of sabotage actions.

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They not only destroy the structure of our Church, they distrust us in our faith. I mean us, our people. Because when people see that one priest says this,

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and the other says something else, they begin to doubt in their faith. They say that faith is a commodity in the hands of priests. They can turn it around, evaluate it this way, evaluate it that way.

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For the good of the faith, this will not happen. We have a central figure here, the Metropolitan, and all hierarchies must be gathered around him. And so it should be like in the army.

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First do what the Metropolitan said, and then you can either deny it, or give it to some council, that the Metropolitan may be wrong.

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but first it has to be done. Only then our Church will be gathered and ready to receive such actions and it will be indispensable.

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During our Holy Divine Liturgy and various other Church holidays, we often hear the Holy and traditional word of Orthodoxy. Tell us please, how does this word sound in your ears?

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- So, to that word my generation got used to since childhood. Later, when I, let's say, I started to get interested in those things, what I said at the beginning of my speech. I will say that this is a complete decoding of the word "Kirandrey". Our attitude to the word Orthodox is the same as our great confessor interpreted it.

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This word is absolutely acceptable to us. We do not understand it as the Russians do. Russian Orthodox terms are state-related. They understand that the Church is state-related, that it works with the government, and so on. We have our own definition of the word "Orthodox". But, after all, if there is ever a decree or a decree from our church authorities that this word will be replaced, as it has been done for a long time,

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or for the good of faith, so as not to tease each other, it will be completely abandoned, that is, at the exit all of you will be talking, Christians. We will accept everything for the good of faith and for the good, the unification of our Church. We accept everything.

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But, let's say, for me personally, I would not throw this word away from our liturgical literature, from the liturgy of God. This is my personal opinion.

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Maybe it is some kind of traditional attachment to this word. I like it, I like to hear it, in our Ukrainian version. On the other hand, when I hear it in the Russian church, I am shuddering because I know what is behind it, what is the meaning, what is the semantics of that word in the Russian language.

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But I would not throw it away, but I will say it again, that if there is a commandment, then we will probably all agree on it. to the need, to the good faith and so on. Here we have a 100-year-old... This is for later. It is dated in Počarjevo. It was built in Počarjevo in 1862. - Please, show us. - Here you are. I am starting in 1862. - Wait, wait, wait.

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- Can I flip it? - Yes, please. He comes from my side, from Ursuyshchyna, from Kosovo. And why is he dear to me? Why do I pray to him? Because he is in Pochaiv, he was issued in the last century.

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That is, when the Russian Orthodoxy was at war, and it was terribly hateful to us, to our Catholic Church, worse than now, it means that it was given away. But when he found this time period in Kosovo, near the village of Kosovo-Cherganivka, then on October 10, 1900, Bishop Stanislavsky

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Andrei Shevtski, visiting his diocese, visited Cherganivka and was given a book by the church service, a priest and his elder brother, and they asked Vladikov if they could use this time period. So, to document their right to use it, he wrote, "Suggested during the canonical examination, Cherganivka, 10 October 1900."

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So, this was written by a priest, obviously, and Bishop Stanislavski wrote, "I allow to use." I put a cross, which means Bishop Andrei. And obviously, I gave him instructions, which places not to use. This gives us a reason to think.

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Now, when we look at how widely this great confessor of faith understood the Orthodox word, and how he looked at these matters. That he allowed to use the time-word, which was given to the Russian Orthodox in Khochayev, without finding differences in the prayers themselves, because the prayers are the same there and there.

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And now we are making terrible contradictions between each other, which lead to fights in churches between foreigners. We know about it because of one word - Orthodoxy. This is a thing that is not understood by us at all.

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Why? Because of the terrible contradictions that arise in the West, all the polemics. And we present ourselves as a nation, as Christians, as Catholics, as the enemies of the world.

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These are the affairs of the host. We once decided them among ourselves. But now we need to accept something one, and for that we need not so much good and fire. Because what is being promoted there, different theories, that it is so and so,

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it is only theories, it is just a look at things. No one of the people of God is worth it. I want to show you this place, where there is a later metropolitan Andriy, and then Stanislavsky bishop. It allows you to come to life. Not to be afraid that people in Cherkasy and Kosovo will immediately become Russian Orthodox when they will pray with you.

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And I have not become like that. I have been praying for 20 years. He is special to me, although I have another one, but he is special to me, dear, because on him is the seal of the spirit and the hands of the great confessor of faith, the bishop of my former diocese of Stanislavsk, Andrei. Thank you very much, Mr. Ivan. We see here a lot of very valuable church things. Can you show us some of them? Which ones?

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You as a shareholder, you have to tell us. [Russian] These are the things that our museum visitors were drawn to at one time. The same is true of Bishop Stanislavsky Andrei Sheptytsky.

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When he, during the canonical visitation of his diocese, saw this in every roadside chapel and in every house he entered. Because then there were only such icons in the houses. These painted icons on the wall are purely folk painting.

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Because, as you know, our church was all about the people. We didn't have such great painters, great painting workshops like other nations. We were even stateless, and we gave advice in our faith and in our church, as we were told. And it turns out that those people who could neither write nor read,

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could convey the idea of that holiness of ours on those primitive icons, that now the experts, artists, are being wondered and want to inherit them, and cannot. And this somehow instills faith in us, in that some talent of our people. How long did it take you to have such a collection of our icons?

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Well, you know, when I was studying, my whole family was in Siberia. I was living among strangers, in strangers' houses. But when I graduated from the university and started working, I had some sort of a sin, a joy,

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I lived according to the rules of the house. According to the fashion of the interior of the house. And the house was decorated with these icons. This is a Yagutsul skull, which is now called a ceramic.

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These are the trinities with which we went to Jordan. And all the furniture, and the covers, and the embroideries, and everything that we had in our house. Now it has become a great holiday for me. When I enter this house, it is my holiday.

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This house carries me in my dreams. I remember those times when I was still living at home with my family, when I was little. I remember my grandfather having these images of St. Nicholas and the cuckoo. I looked at them and thought, "Why are they so red?"

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And then my grandfather said, "Grandfather, why are the cuckoos so red?" And my grandfather said, "You'll know when you grow up." Because he couldn't explain it to me. He said, "You'll know when you grow up."

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This is my father's. When I'm getting old, it's a stupid thing, you know, because a man is aware that someday he will have to leave it all. And whom to leave? Children, as a rule, are not collectors.

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They grow up among it, it is a daily matter for them. For me, every icon is a holiday. And I would like to give it to some museum. I would like to have a church museum in the West.

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I understand that this is a fixed idea, because it is impossible to bring it there according to the legal laws. But I think that if it would be in a good Ukrainian museum in the West, it would work for us.

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Because it is in my house, it pleases me and my colleagues. If someone from other people comes to me, or is interested in these things, if it was in a public museum or in a big cultural metropolis, it would help our cause, because we could present ourselves as a people,

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as any other people. We will try to do something for these icons. And in the meantime, thank you very much, Mr. Ivan, for your wise words. Glory to Jesus Christ!

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Glory to God! [END]